Also, I would be as leery as Freddie is about assuming that average differences of IQ scores between various races are due to genetics rather than environments, simply because both past and present racism has meant that the environments that the various races live and grow up in are often *very* different. That's true even for so-called …
Also, I would be as leery as Freddie is about assuming that average differences of IQ scores between various races are due to genetics rather than environments, simply because both past and present racism has meant that the environments that the various races live and grow up in are often *very* different. That's true even for so-called "model minorities" such as Asians, where IIRC, their "model" status can vary a lot based on ethnic group (e.g. Chinese vs. Vietnamese vs. Filipino).
Charles Murray himself has never argued that there is definitive proof that the difference in IQ scores is based in genetics. The science just isn't there. However it's cowardice not to examine the question of whether a genetic contribution is plausible or not.
I would not be disappointed if there is no genetic contribution. But I would not be surprised if there is.
"would be as leery as Freddie is about assuming that average differences of IQ scores between various races are due to genetics rather than environments"
Not something I believe or have said - my book very explicitly rejects this idea. I think it's environmental and likely the aggregate of innumerable small causes.
I think we're in "violent agreement" here. I said you were *leery* of assuming that racial IQ differences were genetic, not that you were in support of that!
Also, I would be as leery as Freddie is about assuming that average differences of IQ scores between various races are due to genetics rather than environments, simply because both past and present racism has meant that the environments that the various races live and grow up in are often *very* different. That's true even for so-called "model minorities" such as Asians, where IIRC, their "model" status can vary a lot based on ethnic group (e.g. Chinese vs. Vietnamese vs. Filipino).
Charles Murray himself has never argued that there is definitive proof that the difference in IQ scores is based in genetics. The science just isn't there. However it's cowardice not to examine the question of whether a genetic contribution is plausible or not.
I would not be disappointed if there is no genetic contribution. But I would not be surprised if there is.
"would be as leery as Freddie is about assuming that average differences of IQ scores between various races are due to genetics rather than environments"
Not something I believe or have said - my book very explicitly rejects this idea. I think it's environmental and likely the aggregate of innumerable small causes.
I think we're in "violent agreement" here. I said you were *leery* of assuming that racial IQ differences were genetic, not that you were in support of that!
Oh, gotcha, my bad.