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Freddie deBoer's avatar

Not unusual that I would disagree with criticism of what I believe, but I have to say that the scattered but most response here speaks to the fact that for many people, feelings on Zionism specifically and nationalism are visceral and inchoate. I'm particular, I think there's this very deep tension between people's embrace of (small-l) liberalism and the insistence that ethno states are natural and desirable. I think many people just don't want to examine those tensions to closely.

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Matt Lutz's avatar

I basically agree with this, but I think this argument misses the strongest case for Zionism. Which is: The Jewish people have had a long history of living peacefully in cosmopolitan nations where they were welcomed as neighbors... right up until they weren't. Lots of the statistics about Jewish flourishing in America today were also true of Jews living in Europe in the 19th century. It didn't last. Sooner or later, there's always a movement that arises, declares the Jews to be hostile outsiders, and begins the slaughter. We've even got a word for that: pogrom. Zionism is the dream of a land where pogroms are impossible because the basic social, political, and demographic facts make it impossible. Is the US a land where pogroms are impossible? Well, we haven't had one here yet. But we're a young nation with a lot of heavily armed, racist people. Give us time; we'll get there eventually.

I'm not saying I agree with that argument, but that's the steel man argument for Zionism. And I don't think this piece really rebuts it.

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