I agree. I see cars sometimes with Fuck Joe Biden stickers (not "Let's Go Brandon" childish nonsense, but actual FJB), and I think two things: 1) How tacky. No matter how much I hate W or Trump, I would never put something like that on my car; and 2) What do you hate him so much for? What has he done that is SO antithetical to your be…
I agree. I see cars sometimes with Fuck Joe Biden stickers (not "Let's Go Brandon" childish nonsense, but actual FJB), and I think two things: 1) How tacky. No matter how much I hate W or Trump, I would never put something like that on my car; and 2) What do you hate him so much for? What has he done that is SO antithetical to your belief system? I'm sure not a single one of them could tell me anything coherent beyond they think he stole the election or whatever.
Well, that’s my real point: they hate the other party way more than they hate the dissidents in their own party. Biden is simply the synecdoche for the Democrats as a whole.
Well, no. My comments may make more sense in the context it was intended: replying to the question of whether this is really an effect we are seeing in the 97% of partisans who are not Extremely Online. My assertion is that it is not: liberal political hobbyists may hate Joe Manchin or Matt Yglesias, but your average everyday Democrat simply hates Trump and doesn’t give a rip about these internecine battles.
Well then it may be that only 3% of the Democratic Party who loathes Manchin or Yglesias. But who's the corresponding population in the GOP? There's no 3% in the Republicans who direct their wrath at Cheney or Romney.
To the same extent as the internecine warfare in the Democratic camp? No. The closest comparison is anti-Trump Republicans and the venom that they spew towards their old party.
I think the reason why is pretty simple if you think about it for a second: the civil war in the Democratic Party is still ongoing and the centrists and the left wing are at each other's throats.
In the GOP on the other hand Trump won. He killed off all his opponents years ago (and it was never a civil war in the Republican Party by the way, it was an invasion). Look at Cheney. Nobody likes her but they don't have any particular venom for her because in a few months she's going to be gone.
Hmm. On the one hand, I'm not super-attached to my position, and I see your point. On the other hand, the Democrats haven't been removing their own members from positions of power, and (as previously mentioned) the hatred for Pence or, say, Brian Shaw among a small subsection of Republicans seems to outstrip anything that the Democrats may do.
It's possible that I'm working from 2021 data and the GOP wave has already swept by. But I'm not ENTIRELY ready to concede the point.
Did you see the Jon Stewart show where he and a guest accused Andrew Sullivan of being a Nazi? (I kid, but not really.) Where's the equivalent takedown of Pence on the right?
I agree. I see cars sometimes with Fuck Joe Biden stickers (not "Let's Go Brandon" childish nonsense, but actual FJB), and I think two things: 1) How tacky. No matter how much I hate W or Trump, I would never put something like that on my car; and 2) What do you hate him so much for? What has he done that is SO antithetical to your belief system? I'm sure not a single one of them could tell me anything coherent beyond they think he stole the election or whatever.
I'm not sure those bumper stickers are an expression of personal antipathy to Biden so much as a declaration of animus towards the other party.
Well, that’s my real point: they hate the other party way more than they hate the dissidents in their own party. Biden is simply the synecdoche for the Democrats as a whole.
But that is kind of the opposite of the Democratic left who save their true bile for wayward liberals.
Well, no. My comments may make more sense in the context it was intended: replying to the question of whether this is really an effect we are seeing in the 97% of partisans who are not Extremely Online. My assertion is that it is not: liberal political hobbyists may hate Joe Manchin or Matt Yglesias, but your average everyday Democrat simply hates Trump and doesn’t give a rip about these internecine battles.
Well then it may be that only 3% of the Democratic Party who loathes Manchin or Yglesias. But who's the corresponding population in the GOP? There's no 3% in the Republicans who direct their wrath at Cheney or Romney.
You don’t think so? You don’t think there are Trumpian conservatives who loathe Cheney or--God forbid, MIKE PENCE--with a passion?
I don’t think I agree with your assessment.
To the same extent as the internecine warfare in the Democratic camp? No. The closest comparison is anti-Trump Republicans and the venom that they spew towards their old party.
I think the reason why is pretty simple if you think about it for a second: the civil war in the Democratic Party is still ongoing and the centrists and the left wing are at each other's throats.
In the GOP on the other hand Trump won. He killed off all his opponents years ago (and it was never a civil war in the Republican Party by the way, it was an invasion). Look at Cheney. Nobody likes her but they don't have any particular venom for her because in a few months she's going to be gone.
Hmm. On the one hand, I'm not super-attached to my position, and I see your point. On the other hand, the Democrats haven't been removing their own members from positions of power, and (as previously mentioned) the hatred for Pence or, say, Brian Shaw among a small subsection of Republicans seems to outstrip anything that the Democrats may do.
It's possible that I'm working from 2021 data and the GOP wave has already swept by. But I'm not ENTIRELY ready to concede the point.
Did you see the Jon Stewart show where he and a guest accused Andrew Sullivan of being a Nazi? (I kid, but not really.) Where's the equivalent takedown of Pence on the right?