Oh really now? Have you listened to Trump lately. He's always claiming he's a victim of something. His followers also join in the the victim claiming too. Usually they're claiming they're victims of the "libs".
Claiming to be victimized as a weapon in political warfare is completely different from claiming that you enjoy the exalted status of a victim in the left's hierarchy of the abused.
Last mass I attended, everyone in church nodded along when the priest proclaimed Christians were being persecuted in America. There's this weird dilemma where conservatives constantly claim their being made second-hand citizens and persecuted for being conservative and Christian but then make the broad claim that only lefties do this.
Is the narrative "I'm a victim" or is it "The other side is attacking us so we need to fight back"?
As DeBoer points out a lot of these hysterics feel that their "illness" is part of their identity. Society should accommodate them rather than they themselves taking steps to cure or alleviate their situation. Otoh a message in church that "We are being persecuted" seems to me to be tied with "So vote for the candidates who will stick it to the other side".
I don't park myself on FdB's page enough to engage consistently so apologies for the late reply. In the Catholic circles I find myself in, the narrative tends to be "I'm a victim" but then when politely pressed, no specifics are given whereby the person can point to a specific instance where they've been attacked for their faith. Then it is followed up with a broader statement that Christians are being persecuted and attacked for their faith. Yet, no specifics are ever given where Christians (regardless of the sect they're in) are being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail or laws are being passed by State legislatures where their faith is sidelined and made into second-class citizens. . What specific steps should society make to accommodate these fears or cure them of the unfounded fear of prosecution? Unban the Bible? Southern states are reinstating that the 10 commandments be posted prominently in Public Schools? Are religious private schools being shut down or quietly funded with vouchers under the guise of "school choice?" I'm curious as to what society should be doing to placate the fears of Christians such that their identity doesn't make them feel under attack? Instatement of Christianity as the State religion? More Prayer Breakfasts being held at the State Capitals? Requiring everyone recognize that Jesus is the Reason for the Season? Forcing the LGBT community back under-ground?
I've heard the same claims from Christians (predominately of the Evangelical side) for over 40 years being made and the victimhood/persecution complex has seeped into other denominations, not because persecution has occurred during those 40 years but because they feel that Christianity isn't the predominate religion in America the way that it used to be.
Victim status as social signifies is largely a left wing thing.
Oh really now? Have you listened to Trump lately. He's always claiming he's a victim of something. His followers also join in the the victim claiming too. Usually they're claiming they're victims of the "libs".
Claiming to be victimized as a weapon in political warfare is completely different from claiming that you enjoy the exalted status of a victim in the left's hierarchy of the abused.
Last mass I attended, everyone in church nodded along when the priest proclaimed Christians were being persecuted in America. There's this weird dilemma where conservatives constantly claim their being made second-hand citizens and persecuted for being conservative and Christian but then make the broad claim that only lefties do this.
Is the narrative "I'm a victim" or is it "The other side is attacking us so we need to fight back"?
As DeBoer points out a lot of these hysterics feel that their "illness" is part of their identity. Society should accommodate them rather than they themselves taking steps to cure or alleviate their situation. Otoh a message in church that "We are being persecuted" seems to me to be tied with "So vote for the candidates who will stick it to the other side".
I don't park myself on FdB's page enough to engage consistently so apologies for the late reply. In the Catholic circles I find myself in, the narrative tends to be "I'm a victim" but then when politely pressed, no specifics are given whereby the person can point to a specific instance where they've been attacked for their faith. Then it is followed up with a broader statement that Christians are being persecuted and attacked for their faith. Yet, no specifics are ever given where Christians (regardless of the sect they're in) are being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail or laws are being passed by State legislatures where their faith is sidelined and made into second-class citizens. . What specific steps should society make to accommodate these fears or cure them of the unfounded fear of prosecution? Unban the Bible? Southern states are reinstating that the 10 commandments be posted prominently in Public Schools? Are religious private schools being shut down or quietly funded with vouchers under the guise of "school choice?" I'm curious as to what society should be doing to placate the fears of Christians such that their identity doesn't make them feel under attack? Instatement of Christianity as the State religion? More Prayer Breakfasts being held at the State Capitals? Requiring everyone recognize that Jesus is the Reason for the Season? Forcing the LGBT community back under-ground?
I've heard the same claims from Christians (predominately of the Evangelical side) for over 40 years being made and the victimhood/persecution complex has seeped into other denominations, not because persecution has occurred during those 40 years but because they feel that Christianity isn't the predominate religion in America the way that it used to be.
Simple response: I'm an atheist. When somebody says "Merry Christmas" to me I reply with "Merry Christmas". Who cares?