It seems that there has been a revolt at Penguin Press over the publication of a new book by Jordan Peterson. Staff members apparently cried. This is, I think, indicative of some really deep problems in how progressives approach politics. The first thing that I think when I hear about people freaking out about publishing a new Jordan Peterson book is, why allow that guy -
Thank you I love it. the last chunk -- the second problem -- is where I think we are. There is no ref, or the entity you've deemed the ref has no power to decide the game. We're going to have to win by persuasiveness. It's what I've always suspected also in the context of guns'n'things. We aren't going to win an actual war until we have waaaaaaayyy more people on our side. The opposition is going to have to lose a protracted battle of, uh, hearts'n'minds.
I have only a passing familiarity with Peterson but he never struck me as particularly "conservative." Likewise, it seems unfair to call him a gifter and a con man. As I understand it he was one of the few heterodox liberals in academia to stick his neck out, and he paid the price for it in that realm. Sure, it ended up working out well for him, but I don't think that was foreseeable.
Your irrational and peevish dislike for JBP seems more based on similarities than difference.
I read Jordan for the same reasons I read you: unusual and fearless insights into human behavior, well-expressed in personal anecdotes.
I gather you don't get much of your dislike of him through watching the innumerable videos of his interactions with various other illuminati, nor reading his books.
Isn't advocating Marx's ideas reactionary?
Have you read "Peacemaking Among Higher Order Primates?"
I could go on. But I advise some serious research into the actual JBP.
Freddie's comment "Sometimes when you tell the universe, "this isn't fair," the universe opens wide and says, "so what?" reminds of a Stephen Crane poem:
Your ad hominem attack on Peterson was beneath you. These days I'd hope you would provide specifics in your criticism instead of just displaying your "left-correct" emotions about him. I watch a lot of Jordan Peterson videos, have partially read one of his books, but I also read a lot of Freddie deBoer because, well, yours is an interesting, alternative and thoughtful viewpoint, refreshing especially compared to the narrow wokist prop in the msm.
Two years later and JBP is still the undisputed king of the comment section. I don't know if it's really a grift on his part, he strikes me as quite sincere, but "deepities" is a good description of it
Peterson rocks. He has the keys to unlock most of what is wrong with the western world. Those that trash him are generally the most in need of the keys.
Jordan is popular because nobody on the left is even bothering to sell anything remotely like he is selling. As you've mentioned so many times before, they believe politics and persuasion are below them.
I agree with everybody else. I did not see this coming from ol' Freddie of all people. People who are also on the receiving end of hate from the left, like Freddie, and who (I imagine) similarly have serious philosophical disagreements with JBP don't portray him so uncharitably or impugn motive.
As another user said, this was done rather peevishly and I would add lazily, and at least this time, when you chose to take a swipe at someone, there is no little hyperlink giving evidence for the claim.
No, there are plenty of people who lean Left who don't agree with Peterson and, like Freddie, are on the receiving end of Twitter lynch mobs and/or deranged, bad-faith criticism, but they don't make petty attacks against him.
Normally, Freddie is really funny or clever or scathingly brilliant when he criticizes, but this? Grifter? Really? If JBP's ideas came to prominence and went viral, it's because the self-styled Left came for him, and when he didn't back down, more came for him, and when that didn't stop him, even more came for him, and then Joe Rogan had him on his show, and bam! Instant sensation. As is written about so insightfully in this very article, it was the Left or those pretending to be on the Left trying to destroy this man that raised his profile.
As a true leftist I can see why FDB wouldn't necessarily like the kinds of ideas that Peterson espouses and that have apparently helped tens of thousands, if not millions, of people around the world (you need barely expend any effort to find dozens of videos of people talking about the positive impact he's had on their lives). Whether you think those people are sad and pathetic, having found their Internet Daddy, or whether, like me, you couldn't give a shit what they believe, as long as they are better for it and live better lives, that's no reason to have this kind of outsized reaction.
Grifter implies JBP is pretending to believe or be something he does not believe or is, and all for the sake of profit (Project Lincoln comes to mind). Freddie has been on Blocked and Reported before; that's where I first heard of him (and thank God). Are Katie and Jesse grifters because their public personas have been amplified by attempts to cancel them?
I know about Jimmy Dore and other legitimately anti-war or otherwise true-Left-leaning Lefties because the Left has tried to cancel them, which raised their profile enough for me to stumble upon them. And I'm so grateful for all of it because I've found tons of people with really interesting ideas, even though I am sure it wasn't pleasant for them being on the receiving end for so much overblown, bad-faith, deranged and dishonest criticism. I would really like to know what a man like Freddie has against JBP. Normally, he'd tell us, but he didn't bother to here.
Thank you I love it. the last chunk -- the second problem -- is where I think we are. There is no ref, or the entity you've deemed the ref has no power to decide the game. We're going to have to win by persuasiveness. It's what I've always suspected also in the context of guns'n'things. We aren't going to win an actual war until we have waaaaaaayyy more people on our side. The opposition is going to have to lose a protracted battle of, uh, hearts'n'minds.
I have only a passing familiarity with Peterson but he never struck me as particularly "conservative." Likewise, it seems unfair to call him a gifter and a con man. As I understand it he was one of the few heterodox liberals in academia to stick his neck out, and he paid the price for it in that realm. Sure, it ended up working out well for him, but I don't think that was foreseeable.
Awww, Freddie!
Your irrational and peevish dislike for JBP seems more based on similarities than difference.
I read Jordan for the same reasons I read you: unusual and fearless insights into human behavior, well-expressed in personal anecdotes.
I gather you don't get much of your dislike of him through watching the innumerable videos of his interactions with various other illuminati, nor reading his books.
Isn't advocating Marx's ideas reactionary?
Have you read "Peacemaking Among Higher Order Primates?"
I could go on. But I advise some serious research into the actual JBP.
Freddie's comment "Sometimes when you tell the universe, "this isn't fair," the universe opens wide and says, "so what?" reminds of a Stephen Crane poem:
A Man Said to the Universe
BY STEPHEN CRANE
A man said to the universe:
“Sir, I exist!”
“However,” replied the universe,
“The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation.”
Your ad hominem attack on Peterson was beneath you. These days I'd hope you would provide specifics in your criticism instead of just displaying your "left-correct" emotions about him. I watch a lot of Jordan Peterson videos, have partially read one of his books, but I also read a lot of Freddie deBoer because, well, yours is an interesting, alternative and thoughtful viewpoint, refreshing especially compared to the narrow wokist prop in the msm.
Two years later and JBP is still the undisputed king of the comment section. I don't know if it's really a grift on his part, he strikes me as quite sincere, but "deepities" is a good description of it
Peterson rocks. He has the keys to unlock most of what is wrong with the western world. Those that trash him are generally the most in need of the keys.
Jordan is popular because nobody on the left is even bothering to sell anything remotely like he is selling. As you've mentioned so many times before, they believe politics and persuasion are below them.
I agree with everybody else. I did not see this coming from ol' Freddie of all people. People who are also on the receiving end of hate from the left, like Freddie, and who (I imagine) similarly have serious philosophical disagreements with JBP don't portray him so uncharitably or impugn motive.
As another user said, this was done rather peevishly and I would add lazily, and at least this time, when you chose to take a swipe at someone, there is no little hyperlink giving evidence for the claim.
No, there are plenty of people who lean Left who don't agree with Peterson and, like Freddie, are on the receiving end of Twitter lynch mobs and/or deranged, bad-faith criticism, but they don't make petty attacks against him.
Normally, Freddie is really funny or clever or scathingly brilliant when he criticizes, but this? Grifter? Really? If JBP's ideas came to prominence and went viral, it's because the self-styled Left came for him, and when he didn't back down, more came for him, and when that didn't stop him, even more came for him, and then Joe Rogan had him on his show, and bam! Instant sensation. As is written about so insightfully in this very article, it was the Left or those pretending to be on the Left trying to destroy this man that raised his profile.
As a true leftist I can see why FDB wouldn't necessarily like the kinds of ideas that Peterson espouses and that have apparently helped tens of thousands, if not millions, of people around the world (you need barely expend any effort to find dozens of videos of people talking about the positive impact he's had on their lives). Whether you think those people are sad and pathetic, having found their Internet Daddy, or whether, like me, you couldn't give a shit what they believe, as long as they are better for it and live better lives, that's no reason to have this kind of outsized reaction.
Grifter implies JBP is pretending to believe or be something he does not believe or is, and all for the sake of profit (Project Lincoln comes to mind). Freddie has been on Blocked and Reported before; that's where I first heard of him (and thank God). Are Katie and Jesse grifters because their public personas have been amplified by attempts to cancel them?
I know about Jimmy Dore and other legitimately anti-war or otherwise true-Left-leaning Lefties because the Left has tried to cancel them, which raised their profile enough for me to stumble upon them. And I'm so grateful for all of it because I've found tons of people with really interesting ideas, even though I am sure it wasn't pleasant for them being on the receiving end for so much overblown, bad-faith, deranged and dishonest criticism. I would really like to know what a man like Freddie has against JBP. Normally, he'd tell us, but he didn't bother to here.