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Freddie deBoer's avatar

I have to tell you that I find this dynamic frustrating - every time I write about EA, there's a lot of comments of the type "oh, just ignore the weirdos." But you go to EA spaces and it's all weirdos! They are the movement! SBF became a god figure among them for a reason! They're the ones who are going to steer the ship into the future, and they're the ones who are clamoring to sideline poverty and need now in favor of extinction risk or whatever in the future, which I find a repugnant approach to philanthropy. You can't ignore the weirdos. And to the extent that you can, that's what I'm advocating for here - just break up with "Effective Altruism" as an entity and push for the smaller-bore efficiency stuff within existing charitable structures and organizations. I don't know why you'd bother trying to convert the people who are obsessed with how much pain tuna feel when they're caught in a net. They got into it for the weird shit. Just preach efficiency and evidence-based charity in the broader world.

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Chasing Ennui's avatar

I agree EA has gotten weird, but, at its heart, isn't EA basically just "evidence based philanthropy." Like in medicine, I agree that suggesting that we use evidence to determine what works seems obvious, but like in medicine, it is actually not that common.

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