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Alex's avatar

Sorry but there's nothing to argue about.

Neoliberalism, in the original sense of the word, won.

Everyone is a neoliberal now, except on the furthest fringes.

Markets are the most effective means of production and there's not good evidence that they can be technocratically managed in a positive way by the state.

The political question is not what to do about markets (and hasn't been for decades) because there is nothing to do. The question is to what degree should there be taxation and redistribution.

A lot of ideological argument on the right versus left is just kayfabe because everyone wants markets, everyone wants taxation, and everyone wants a large welfare state.

Leftists can pretend otherwise but it's just LARPing to try to seem like something other than what they are: neoliberals doing a performative schtick.

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larkstongue's avatar

It's interesting how socialists think that other people should just take less than the market price out of some vague sense of...something. This basic refusal to live in the reality of human nature is why socialists have been and will always be disappointed. The path to prosperity is to harness the price signals, not rail against them and wish that they were different. It's just another wish to fix prices, the eternally wrong obsession of those who just will not accept how the world works.

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