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Clintonism didn't lose, because it legitimately captured the only people the real decision makers on the left have in the G20: white people in the professional managerial class who can afford to pay lip service to stupid bullshit because they're well off enough not to care about the outcomes.

Has it legitimately occurred to anyone here is that the best argument for the Democratic party to shift to the right is because the majority of the American people are a hell of lot closer to positions staked out on the right than those on the left?

The left used to own this position on economic issues, but squandered that (for ... reasons?) and on every other issue, is way, way, way to the left of the median American voter.

Americans overwhelmingly do not support unrestricted abortion rights. They do not support "gender affirming care" for children. They do not support abolishing or defunding policing. They support Israel and despise Hamas. They do not support open borders.

Opposing endless, pointless, wars? Ironically, the right owns that now, so I'll give you that. The arc of history.

So beyond that, what "further left" positions are being advocated here beyond the stuff people have already soundly rejected the left positions on? Even as they simultaneously, ironically!, scream about wanting more "free stuff" from the government? Is that the whole substance of the "shift left" argument? More "free" shit?

The idea that the problem is that Democrats shifted too far right rather than left is utterly unconvincing. I don't see it.

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Elliot's avatar

"Do you know how drunk you had to be to get a DUI in the 1970s?"

Sorry for wasting the space, but just wanted to add how hilarious this statement is.

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