135 Comments

User's avatar
Millennial Yelling at Cloud's avatar

I think some of this is cope from teachers who have no real power to discipline cheaters. My partner teaches at the university level, and he’s been repeatedly discouraged from filing academic misconduct charges against students who outsource their work to LLMs unless it’s so blatant it’s indisputable, e.g. the student left “Here is a response written at the level of a college Freshman…” in their pasted text. Students savvy enough to formally dispute the charges often win, because, I don’t know, administrators are too hung up on whether they can prove something’s AI to address the real question of “can the student prove they wrote it?” At a certain point it just becomes so defeating that teachers throw up their hands and say “well, who can blame them? Maybe they’re still learning from the process of manually typing ChatGPT’s response into their Google doc, Idk!” As a high school teacher I have more options for penalizing AI, and my admin generally backs me, but after issuing zeroes to 10% of the essays I graded yesterday (essays which were drafted on paper during class time, but later massaged into prosaicism by AI), yeah, I feel defeated too. It’s not enough to make me give up, because I am stubborn as hell and absolutely agree about the coercive nature of education...but I get it.

And yes, the constant excuses made for students who refuse to do the bare minimum are so disrespectful to them and their more honest peers. The capitalism line also annoys me given that school, especially K-12, is one of the few places where they actually get to explore various texts and ideas without worrying about their economic value. I'm not training them for the amazon warehouse when I have them do a Socratic seminar. They all just get to sit in a circle and talk, and the response to that opportunity is to...have Gemini generate their Socratic seminar questions? Yes, I am absolutely judging.

Tom Allen's avatar

When I received an email from one of my 13 year old daughter’s teachers explaining that she had been caught using AI for a writing assignment, I confiscated her phone for 2 months and made her apologize directly to the teacher during a meeting at which my wife and I attended. Many tears were shed. But she now understands that cheating is a serious offence and something that decent people simply do not engage in. So far, a year later, the lesson seems to have stuck.

133 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?