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paul h.'s avatar

I'm mostly convinced that the deeply religious will have the last laugh, just given demographic projections (see Kaufman's "Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?") due to hormonal birth control and abortion-on-demand. We already see this happening in Israel, for example.

As someone who has read far too many European philosophers writing about the death of God (from Hegel, who was the lantern that Nietzsche's madman was holding, to Heidegger and the rest), I have to say that it's incredibly amusing to think that this supposed end of history and endgame of Western thought will just fizzle out in a century or two due to secular Europeans contracepting and aborting themselves out of existence. (I mean, I suppose it's also sad at some level, but after all they're choosing to do it ...?)

When you think about all of the autumnal and vaguely melodramatic things written about this topic, from Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach," to Eliot's line about "these fragments I have shored against my ruins," Heidegger spending a decade desperately trying to find some way to revive European religious life (through his 1930s writings on the "last god" etc.), it turns out that this was just a temporary condition, a case of certain people in certain cities in America and Western Europe turning away from God for a couple centuries, until they simply fade out of existence and humanity returns to its usual religious orientation. And the beauty of it is that even if religious populations slowly 'moderate' or secularize over time -- for example, Europe will almost certainly be majority Muslim by 2080, but let's say that these Muslims slowly secularize -- the cycle will start again; believers will have children, secularists will stop having children, etc.

Popular/nerd culture (and Vox et al.) seem to accept it as a given that the inevitable endgame of history is, like, the Starfleet Federation Council in 2342 A.D., a super-U.N. where culture is irrelevant, no one is religious, everyone is a scientist, etc., but this may not necessarily be the case . . . hormonal birth control is a hell of a drug.

JCB's avatar

It's not true that Dawkins is a deeply unpleasant person. I saw him speak at the University of Texas during the New Atheist era. He came and delivered a nice-but-vanilla talk on some aspects of evolution. About half the audience had come to ask silly creationist gotcha questions that he had heard a million times. He engaged each of these politely and earnestly--he was not dismissive, did not demean anyone, engaged point by awful point. He's a damn saint. He's no troll, just the opposite, really. I think atheists get a bad rap--none of the New Atheists ever approached the rude arrogant condescension of the woke you-do-the-work, I-cannot-be-bothered-with-emotional-labor, haven't-you-read-Kendi? era. I don't really understand why strident atheists engender so very much deep butthurt in theists and smug non-believers alike. It's a mystery.

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